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But [laughs]"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3033.3,"endTime":3033.646,"body":"I hate to say,"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3033.646,"endTime":3037.157,"body":"like, something trite, but like,"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3033.646,"endTime":3037.157,"body":"also, like, one, trust the"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3037.161,"endTime":3042.436,"body":"process. And then two, you know"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3037.161,"endTime":3042.436,"body":"more than you think. Like, for"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3042.436,"endTime":3045.677,"body":"example, I didn't know Jekyll at"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3042.436,"endTime":3045.677,"body":"all when I was interviewing for"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3045.677,"endTime":3048.294,"body":"this job. But, one, I reached"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3045.677,"endTime":3048.294,"body":"out to my community. So, if you"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3048.294,"endTime":3050.911,"body":"need a"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3050.911,"endTime":3055.442,"body":"community, find your community."},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3050.911,"endTime":3055.442,"body":"VC's here, but there's also"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3055.442,"endTime":3060.121,"body":"others. And then two, like, do"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3055.442,"endTime":3060.121,"body":"what you can, explain what you-"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3060.302,"endTime":3063.121,"body":"what you did and, like, your"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3060.302,"endTime":3063.121,"body":"thought processes. And if it's"},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3063.121,"endTime":3066.302,"body":"not the fit, it's not a fit. 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We've grabbed all"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3072.811,"endTime":3075.661,"body":"the links for the stuff that you"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3075.661,"endTime":3078.661,"body":"dropped, including your blog"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3075.661,"endTime":3078.661,"body":"post on technical test"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3078.722,"endTime":3082.7,"body":"preparation advice, and we'll"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3078.722,"endTime":3082.7,"body":"put those in the show notes. And"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3082.7,"endTime":3083.431,"body":"so, thanks for being here."},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3083.851,"endTime":3084.5,"body":"Yay. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3084.5,"endTime":3085.0,"body":"Thanks, Sadie."},{"speaker":"Sadie","startTime":3085.0,"endTime":3086.311,"body":"Thank you all. Thank you."},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3090.329,"endTime":3092.429,"body":"Thank you for listening to"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3090.329,"endTime":3092.429,"body":"this episode of the Virtual"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3092.429,"endTime":3096.175,"body":"Coffee Podcast. This episode was"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3092.429,"endTime":3096.175,"body":"produced by Dan Ott and Bekah"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3096.175,"endTime":3098.953,"body":"Hawrot Weigel. If you have"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3096.175,"endTime":3098.953,"body":"questions or comments, you can"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3098.954,"endTime":3101.965,"body":"hit us up on Twitter at"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3098.954,"endTime":3101.965,"body":"VirtualCoffeeIO, or email us at"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3101.965,"endTime":3103.699,"body":"podcast@virtualcoffee.io. 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