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Thanks for"},{"speaker":"Vic","startTime":3279.67,"endTime":3280.63,"body":"having me."},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3280.63,"endTime":3280.69,"body":"Bye!"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3280.989,"endTime":3281.71,"body":"Thanks, Vic."},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3286.239,"endTime":3288.13,"body":"Thank you for listening"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3286.239,"endTime":3288.13,"body":"to this episode of"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3288.13,"endTime":3292.389,"body":"the Virtual Coffee podcast. This"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3288.13,"endTime":3292.389,"body":"episode was produced by Dan Ott"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3292.389,"endTime":3296.65,"body":"and Bekah Hawrot Weigel, and"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3292.389,"endTime":3296.65,"body":"edited by Dan Ott. 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Next week we'll have"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3323.76,"endTime":3327.659,"body":"Cameron Bardell and Rahat"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3323.76,"endTime":3327.659,"body":"Chowdhury on the podcast to talk"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3327.69,"endTime":3332.039,"body":"about mental health and tech,"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3327.69,"endTime":3332.039,"body":"and the intersection of the two."},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3332.639,"endTime":3334.65,"body":"Thanks for listening and we'll"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3332.639,"endTime":3334.65,"body":"see you next week."}]}