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I do remember you were"},{"speaker":"Colleen Schnettler","startTime":3235.909,"endTime":3238.55,"body":"like on the treadmill or"},{"speaker":"Colleen Schnettler","startTime":3235.909,"endTime":3238.55,"body":"something while we were, we were"},{"speaker":"Colleen Schnettler","startTime":3238.55,"endTime":3239.21,"body":"co-working."},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3239.449,"endTime":3240.8,"body":"Exercise"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3239.449,"endTime":3240.8,"body":"bike. Yeah."},{"speaker":"Colleen Schnettler","startTime":3240.86,"endTime":3243.019,"body":"I was pretty"},{"speaker":"Colleen Schnettler","startTime":3240.86,"endTime":3243.019,"body":"impressed. I was like, oh, nice."},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3244.679,"endTime":3245.384,"body":"(laugh)"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3244.679,"endTime":3245.384,"body":"Trying to, trying to get it all"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3245.384,"endTime":3246.089,"body":"in."},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3248.61,"endTime":3251.219,"body":"Colleen, it's been great having"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3248.61,"endTime":3251.219,"body":"you here. And we're really"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3251.219,"endTime":3255.96,"body":"excited to see what comes next"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3251.219,"endTime":3255.96,"body":"and to listen to your podcast"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3255.96,"endTime":3258.75,"body":"episode. So we'll talk to you"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3255.96,"endTime":3258.75,"body":"soon. 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