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But you can admit that"},{"speaker":"Lucia Cerchie","startTime":3663.389,"endTime":3668.369,"body":"you don't. And that's that's,"},{"speaker":"Lucia Cerchie","startTime":3668.88,"endTime":3669.659,"body":"that's fine."},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":3671.01,"endTime":3671.88,"body":"Absolutely."},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3673.98,"endTime":3675.42,"body":"Yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3673.98,"endTime":3675.42,"body":"think that's such great advice,"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3675.42,"endTime":3679.44,"body":"and you hit on so many important"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":3675.42,"endTime":3679.44,"body":"things in this episode. 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