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All these things that"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4043.61,"endTime":4045.98,"body":"you've gone through and all of"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4043.61,"endTime":4045.98,"body":"these things that you've done,"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4046.01,"endTime":4050.329,"body":"and just hearing your story,"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4046.01,"endTime":4050.329,"body":"because you're a really great"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4050.329,"endTime":4054.17,"body":"storyteller teller. So it's easy"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4050.329,"endTime":4054.17,"body":"to you know, just sit back and"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4054.17,"endTime":4056.659,"body":"listen. So I very much"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4054.17,"endTime":4056.659,"body":"appreciate you sharing all of"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4056.659,"endTime":4059.57,"body":"this stuff for everybody else to"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4056.659,"endTime":4059.57,"body":"hear as well."},{"speaker":"Glen McCallum","startTime":4060.5,"endTime":4060.949,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4061.159,"endTime":4063.23,"body":"Yeah, I agree. I feel"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4061.159,"endTime":4063.23,"body":"like you have a unique"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4063.23,"endTime":4067.61,"body":"perspective on life. I'm sure"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4063.23,"endTime":4067.61,"body":"some of that is from, you know,"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4067.909,"endTime":4070.94,"body":"created from your experiences."},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4067.909,"endTime":4070.94,"body":"And some of that is, you know, I"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4070.94,"endTime":4075.349,"body":"don't know, innate or whatever."},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4070.94,"endTime":4075.349,"body":"But I always I always like, kind"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4075.349,"endTime":4077.869,"body":"of listen to you. Talk about"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4075.349,"endTime":4077.869,"body":"your experiences. And you know,"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4077.929,"endTime":4080.269,"body":"the way the way you've kind of"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4077.929,"endTime":4080.269,"body":"viewed things as you go through"},{"speaker":"Dan Ott","startTime":4080.269,"endTime":4082.099,"body":"them. I Appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Glen McCallum","startTime":4082.849,"endTime":4083.389,"body":"Thanks, Dan."},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4084.949,"endTime":4086.719,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4084.949,"endTime":4086.719,"body":"Well, that's our episode for"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4086.719,"endTime":4090.26,"body":"today. We will put some of those"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4086.719,"endTime":4090.26,"body":"links in the show notes. And"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4090.26,"endTime":4093.26,"body":"again, thanks so much for being"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4090.26,"endTime":4093.26,"body":"here with us, Glen. We'll see"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4093.26,"endTime":4093.559,"body":"you soon."},{"speaker":"Glen McCallum","startTime":4094.19,"endTime":4094.61,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4098.6,"endTime":4100.489,"body":"Thank you"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4098.6,"endTime":4100.489,"body":"for listening to this episode of"},{"speaker":"Bekah Hawrot Weigel","startTime":4100.489,"endTime":4104.689,"body":"the Virtual Coffee podcast. 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