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Bye."},{"speaker":"Abbey","startTime":3529.672,"endTime":3529.762,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3532.201,"endTime":3534.51,"body":"Thank you for listening"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3532.201,"endTime":3534.51,"body":"to this episode of the Virtual"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3534.51,"endTime":3539.791,"body":"Coffee Podcast. This episode was"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3534.51,"endTime":3539.791,"body":"produced by Dan Ott and Bekah"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3539.791,"endTime":3544.09,"body":"Hawrot Weigel and edited by Dan"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3539.791,"endTime":3544.09,"body":"Ott. 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