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Other,"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3287.958,"endTime":3295.577,"body":"other tricks or general advice."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3287.958,"endTime":3295.577,"body":"The big concept I love to teach"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3295.608,"endTime":3298.847,"body":"is that job getting a job"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3295.608,"endTime":3298.847,"body":"interview or getting your tech"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3298.847,"endTime":3303.527,"body":"job can be a lot of fun. There's"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3298.847,"endTime":3303.527,"body":"a wrong way to do it, which is"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3303.648,"endTime":3306.677,"body":"what I see. Maybe 67% of people"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3303.648,"endTime":3306.677,"body":"doing it. 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They don't,"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3323.568,"endTime":3326.268,"body":"you know, they use the same"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3326.268,"endTime":3329.268,"body":"resume. They use the same cover"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3326.268,"endTime":3329.268,"body":"letter. 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And just"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3357.708,"endTime":3360.228,"body":"having those fun conversations."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3360.588,"endTime":3362.102,"body":"And that's what I mean by"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3360.588,"endTime":3362.102,"body":"getting the job interview can be"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3362.102,"endTime":3363.616,"body":"fun."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3363.677,"endTime":3365.507,"body":"Right? I've done it before. I've"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3363.677,"endTime":3365.507,"body":"enjoyed the process. I've"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3365.507,"endTime":3367.337,"body":"enjoyed"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3367.338,"endTime":3372.228,"body":"meeting random people. I've"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3367.338,"endTime":3372.228,"body":"enjoyed just walking out, not"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3372.228,"endTime":3374.958,"body":"caring if I got the job or not."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3372.228,"endTime":3374.958,"body":"And that's the great mentality"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3374.958,"endTime":3377.283,"body":"when you're not tied to the idea"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3374.958,"endTime":3377.283,"body":"of. Man, this is my last hope."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3377.283,"endTime":3379.608,"body":"If"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3379.608,"endTime":3380.658,"body":"I don't get this job, I don't"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3379.608,"endTime":3380.658,"body":"know what I'm going to do."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3380.658,"endTime":3381.708,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3381.708,"endTime":3384.588,"body":"Like remove all of that. 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There was"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3398.268,"endTime":3401.478,"body":"a lot of graded experiences, a"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3398.268,"endTime":3401.478,"body":"lot of not so great ones, but"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3401.478,"endTime":3404.387,"body":"they made you who you are today"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3401.478,"endTime":3404.387,"body":"and embracing that it's kind of"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3404.387,"endTime":3409.458,"body":"very stoic stoicism kind of like"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3404.387,"endTime":3409.458,"body":"approach to it. You've got to go"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3409.458,"endTime":3411.947,"body":"through the, through those"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3409.458,"endTime":3411.947,"body":"challenges in order to come out"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3412.728,"endTime":3416.148,"body":"and by framing it as a fun"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3412.728,"endTime":3416.148,"body":"challenge, framing it as, oh,"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3416.148,"endTime":3418.487,"body":"well, let's see what happens."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3416.148,"endTime":3418.487,"body":"Right. You can make it a lot of"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3418.487,"endTime":3423.137,"body":"fun. It doesn't have to be a"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3418.487,"endTime":3423.137,"body":"dreadful process. You can really"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3423.137,"endTime":3425.012,"body":"get a lot out of it and, and"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3423.137,"endTime":3425.012,"body":"see, not yourself just grow in"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3425.012,"endTime":3426.887,"body":"your"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3426.887,"endTime":3430.217,"body":"tech career, but also just"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3426.887,"endTime":3430.217,"body":"personal development wise. Um,"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3430.217,"endTime":3434.507,"body":"you'd be a lot happier, not"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3430.217,"endTime":3434.507,"body":"getting eight rejection letters,"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3434.608,"endTime":3438.197,"body":"only getting two, but then like,"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3434.608,"endTime":3438.197,"body":"Hey, how can I learn and improve"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3438.197,"endTime":3441.438,"body":"on those two verses got another"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3438.197,"endTime":3441.438,"body":"one hit delete and just kind of"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3441.438,"endTime":3445.307,"body":"move on, right. Stop, reflect on"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3441.438,"endTime":3445.307,"body":"it. What can we do improve that"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3445.307,"endTime":3449.208,"body":"process? 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So"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3470.612,"endTime":3472.967,"body":"thank you so much, Kevin, for"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3472.967,"endTime":3475.322,"body":"sharing"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3475.322,"endTime":3477.873,"body":"all of this with us, there's so"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3475.322,"endTime":3477.873,"body":"many great things that, that"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3477.902,"endTime":3481.413,"body":"practical tips and advice and"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3477.902,"endTime":3481.413,"body":"things that people can go"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3481.413,"endTime":3484.713,"body":"through. So, um, we really"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3481.413,"endTime":3484.713,"body":"appreciate you sharing this with"},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3484.713,"endTime":3485.583,"body":"us here today."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3486.172,"endTime":3488.242,"body":"And I thank y'all too."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3486.172,"endTime":3488.242,"body":"Thank you so much for having me"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3488.242,"endTime":3489.472,"body":"really appreciate it. I had a"},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3488.242,"endTime":3489.472,"body":"good time."},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3490.407,"endTime":3491.038,"body":"Thanks, Kevin."},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3491.563,"endTime":3492.012,"body":"Bye."},{"speaker":"Kevin","startTime":3492.023,"endTime":3493.163,"body":"right. 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