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I"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3232.516,"endTime":3234.617,"body":"appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Bekah","startTime":3235.411,"endTime":3236.132,"body":"Okay, bye."},{"speaker":"Jessica","startTime":3236.851,"endTime":3237.211,"body":"Bye."},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3241.023,"endTime":3243.333,"body":"Thank you for listening to"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3241.023,"endTime":3243.333,"body":"this episode of the Virtual"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3243.333,"endTime":3246.853,"body":"Coffee Podcast. This episode was"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3243.333,"endTime":3246.853,"body":"produced by Dan Ott and Bekah"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3246.873,"endTime":3250.034,"body":"Hawrot Weigel, and was edited by"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3246.873,"endTime":3250.034,"body":"Andy Bonjour at GoodDay"},{"speaker":"Dan","startTime":3250.054,"endTime":3252.844,"body":"Communications. 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